Nick Clegg says Lib Dem-Labour coalition possible

Seems Nick Clegg is touting his party round looking for another host to latch onto.

I wonder what the Labour leader’s response will be?

Ed MacDonald, or was it Ramsay Miliband?

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Arrogance, Ignorance and Greed (or MPs Pay)

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4. Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority take part in welcoming and briefing New Members (Photo credit: UK Parliament)

Can you believe the arrogance of it?

Give MPs a pay rise or risk another expenses scandal, says IPSA chief

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10161649/Give-MPs-a-pay-rise-or-risk-another-expenses-scandal-says-Ipsa-chief.html

So says the well paid Chief of the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority, ‘Sir’ Ian Kennedy.

Here’s a third option: Pay MPs the average working wage and let them truly be representative of those whom they represent, not the swivel eyed, money trousering, big business arse licking career politicos that a lot of them are and aspire to be.

Bishop Devine goes for Cameron

Top man!

…and rightly so.

From the Telegraph:

Joseph Devine, the Bishop of Motherwell, said he considered the Prime Minister “out of his depth” and Christians cannot trust him given the “contradiction” between his statements on religious matters and his actions.

Spot on Bishop Devine. Cameron has proven he will say any old rubbish to hide his real agenda.

He also used a two-page letter to Mr Cameron, to accuse him of “belittling” the Church of England by attacking its reluctance to ordain women bishops.

The CofE has a form of democracy in the process of Synod but the Laity in the Synod were just so ‘not with the programme.’ Obviously the Synod got it so wrong* compared to the theological colossus that is Cameron.

The Church is also upset the Prime Minister has refused to support moves by Christians to go to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) to demand their right to wear the cross.

Another top man!

Perhaps Cameron thinks they’re the type of Christian that would vote the wrong way in Synod. Obviously not worthy.

In a separate move, Philip Tartaglia, the archbishop of Glasgow, said it was a “great disappointment” that Mr Cameron’s plans to change the laws on royal succession would not end the anomaly that bans the monarch from being Catholic.

Funny how some forms of ‘discrimination’ are more worthy than others.

Bishop Devine used his letter to accuse Mr Cameron of claiming to be an advocate for Christian values while undermining freedom of conscience and family life.
“You vacillate, ambivalent about the role you wish to perform – the disciple of David or Nero,” he wrote, referring to the ECHR row over the cross.
“With such a contradiction between your statements and actions, on what basis can you expect anyone – Christians in particular – to trust or respect you?”

Why would any Christian put their trust in a man like Cameron and others of his ilk?

Accusing the Prime Minister of acting with “indecent haste” to legalise gay marriage, the bishop added: “I suspect it is only a matter of time before you go one step further and outlaw the teaching of Christian doctrine on sexual morality on the grounds of discrimination.”

Coming soon to a country near you.

“So far as the Roman Catholic Church … is concerned, you are out of your depth. We will take no finger-prodding lectures from anyone or any group devoid of moral competence.” 

You have to admire some of the Catholic hierarchy, they do have backbone. Only some though.

A Downing Street spokesman declined to comment on the letter but said the debate on gay marriage was “about how rather than if” it would go ahead. Mr Cameron has said he is resisting ECHR action on the cross as he wants such issues dealt with in British courts.

‘How rather than if’ sums it up. This is nothing to do with public support, theology, justice, right or God. An agenda or ‘get with it programme’ has already been decided upon and God help those who don’t toe the line.

Thank God I’m no longer in the CofE. I don’t think I could take such Governmental interference and ignorance driving theology and church practice.

* yes I do know the vote wasn’t about women bishops.

Authored by Chris Hall

The Three Self Church of England

English: Logo of the Church of England
English: Logo of the Church of England (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

It seems that the democratic vote by the Church of England Synod on the creation of women Bishops in the Church of England didn’t go the right way. At least it seems to read like that when looking at the frenzy of activity following the unexpected vote. Gnashing of teeth anyone?

I mean, we have the Prime Minister David Cameron warning the Church of England to think again about its ‘very sad’ rejection of women bishops. In a strongly worded rebuke, the Prime Minister said it was time for the Church to ‘get with the programme’ or risk looking dangerously out of touch with modern society. He said: ‘I’m very clear, the time is right for women bishops, it was right many years ago, they need to get on with it as it were and get with the programme, but you do have to respect the individual institutions and the way they work, while giving them a sharp prod.

In the Commons the MPs couldn’t wait to flex their muscles and bring the uppity church under their control.

Labour’s Frank Field was calling for the Church of England to face the full weight of equality law to force through the changes. But as Sir Tony Baldry, Second Church Estates Commissioner said to Parliament:

May I correct a point that seems to be getting some coinage? The Church of England does not enjoy any particular exemption from sex equality legislation. Obviously, equalities legislation is entirely a matter for this House, but the legislation that applies to the Church of England applies to all faith groups in this country. If Parliament were to seek to change the legislation, it would apply to every faith group. That is clearly a matter for the House.

Which is a bit of a bummer for the control freaks as this would mean that any such move would mean the same requirements applying to other faiths. And we know that isn’t going to happen.

Labour’s Chris Bryant also called for equality legislation to be imposed whilst blocking the appointment of any male Bishops while this ‘anomaly’ remained, summing it up with the phrase ‘no nomination without feminisation‘. Quite what that means I really don’t know.

Labour’s Ben Bradshaw weighed in with a call for an emergency meeting of the Ecclesiastical Committee, ‘so that we can take legal advice as to what Parliament can do to help the Church to achieve the will of the people in the Church?’ Did Bradshaw ever work for the EU? Sounds much the same thing as when the Irish voted against the Lisbon Treaty. Didn’t get it right first time so given another chance to repent with another vote.

I could go on but it’s really quite comical listening to the parade of MPs whose faith is at the best ‘flaky’ or even antagonistic to Christianity. It’s also quite shocking to realise just how much control Parliament has over the theology of the established Church of England, even Parliamentarians who are atheistic, humanistic or even antagonistic to Christianity.

Hence the title of this post, the Church of England seems to me to be much like the Three Self Church in China.

Authored by Chris Hall